Interesting political interview w/Naomi Wolf

[Stargazer]

This was just sent to me. I thought it interesting and important enough to post for discussion. I'm interested in hearing all your thoughts and opinions on it. Let's keep the discussion civil as we have all done for other heated topics.

YouTube - Interview - The End of America

[Magvns]

I Believe that history will repeat its self if we do nothing to change it (i have not gotten all the way through the vid, i'll post more when i have time to watch it all) ... looks like an interesting read

[Stargazer]

Yeah, I think I will read the book. I have long thought our elections are rigged.

[bleeding_sarcasm]

Wow, Thanks for posting this Star, it is great that people are trying to get this information out. I know I am not the only person completely outraged by what is going on, and it scares me that Anyone can support it.

[FLVenom]

Her book seems like the same old Michael Moore logic. I can live with pushing a terrorist a bit more than the norm if National Security depended on it. Say for instance, the US arrests a man connected to terrorism, and he knows when and where a nuclear bomb will go off in the US and he's not talking. Well, I sure hope to God our Counter Terrorism agencies would do ANY thing they can to extract information from anyone with holding vital information. People need to wake up to the fact that the US has enemies, that have sought to destory this great nation, long before the Bush administration took office. So blaming Bush on a terrorist attack in 1984 will not work. Below is a major list of terrorist attacks from Islamic fundamentalist against the US military and US citizens at home and abroad.

1984
Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.
Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed.

1985
April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.
Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.
Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.

1986
April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.
April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds

1988
Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families.

1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.

1995
April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous Disasters.)

Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.

1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.

1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.

2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.

2001
Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed.

2002
June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.

2003
May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.
2004

May 29–31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.
June 11–19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.

Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.

2005
Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: Suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.

2006
Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy was foiled.

2007
Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy was fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries

[Johnny Utah]

Thanks Joe. Great post.

[bleeding_sarcasm]

Everything except for Oklahoma [which was done by Americans, doesnt really count IMO] and 9/11 were targets on US troops in OTHER COUNTRIES. In how many instances were our troops justifiably there? [Iraq, IMO, is NOT justifiable, since we didnt find Weapons of mass destruction, which was "supposed" to be the point] And if you count up the bodies of our troops have killed in those locations vs. our troops killed, the ratio would be pretty skewed. And less then 20 instances in 23 years?

	IMO In My Opinion

[FLVenom]

Iraq is very debatable. Why did a good majority of the prominent Democratic members of Congress vote to use force in Iraq? The vote tally was 77-23 in favor of use of force against Saddam Hussein and his regime. Why did all of our allies (which saw the same intelligence report the CIA issued) agree that Saddam was a threat and needed to be removed? Again, it's convient for Bush haters to place the blame soely on him. What about the CIA Director George Tenet, who said "this was a slam dunk" in terms of finding weapons of mass destruction? He was a hold over from the Clinton regime, so nobody can say he was manipulated by the current Bush administration. You don't think Saddam had time to destroy weapons he had prior to the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom? He had nearly a year to do so.

[Stargazer]

Thanks, everyone, for taking the time to watch the video and to discuss the issues. I hope the discussion will continue. I know better than to debate on any thread that Special Ed will participate in unless I'm read up on the issues, which I'm not (thanks for challenging me in that way on previous debates, Gus!). But I have long observed corruption and abuse of power in our current government, and it angers me. Seems too widespread to ignore.