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Vending at a show

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I was talking to someone the other day and they mentioned that I should try selling my snakes at local shows. Anyone have any experience with this? I understand the majority of costs (table/space, electric, displays, decorations, etc). As a hobbiest I thought you had to be a business to vend at a show, is this correct or does it depend on the show? Has anyone shared a table with another vendor before and if so, how did you work it out? I get the feeling I would need to have a few litters available for sale to even make it worth while. Just looking for opinions and experiences of others.
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I am fairly certain all you have to do is purchase the booth or table place at the event and you can sell what ever you want, just be sure it is legal.
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the show here a table is eather 15 or 20 dollers
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I do well with the snake hooks at shows. I do ok selling snakes. I'd sell a lot more if I didn't grill the customers and turn away idiots. I'm tough lol. I treat potential buyers the same as I treat people who want to adopt. Same deal. If I don't think it's a great home, it ain't going.
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here, you just buy a table, and WHAM...your a vendor. If people want something, they will buy it
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Um, table costs here are about $250 for the first table. electricity is ~ $50.
Sacramento is the largest show in northern california, and the biggest gecko show in CA. There is a limit on how many of each type of vendor will be accepted and previous vendors get first choice. It is usually a 2 day event with a set up on friday.

There will be a san jose show, put on someone new, but its a 1 day show, and about the same price, and I know alot of vendors, including ourselves, are not vending that show. There is a small one in pateluma, but for the most part, the shows are in socal [which then you have to factor in the costs of gas and hotel fare [~ 100$/night ]

Um... each vendor is different. If they are even willing to share a table, or work consignment. I charge 20% consignment, and I will only sell species I know, and am willing to sell [snake morphs I wont sell, because I dont support it, etc] If its a big show, and I know I am going to need help staff-wise, I will offer a discounted consignment rate, if you actually WORK the show for me. Um, to share a table, I would personally expect 1/2 of the expenses. If not a consignment charge on top of that.

So, really you are looking at:
gas up to the show [and possibly car rental]
food while you are up there
hotel fare for the weekend
booth cost [~$250 for one spot and one table, ~ $500 for a double spot, and 3 tables]
additional table and chair cost [I usually get 1-2 extra tables, and 2 extra chairs for friends, but I also have huge displays and bring ALOT of animals]
electricity cost
display cost [if you go with an actual display, as opposed to a net over deli cups,] **ALOT ALOT ALOT of stuff gets stolen at shows. kids are annoying, they tend to mess your stuff up, scratch things, ruin stuff.
Deli cups, bags, reciepts, pens, money box.
table cloth [and skirt if the show so requires]
banner, business cards, other advertizement stuff. care sheets, etc.
Supplies, if any that you plan to sell, or give away with the animal [I sell gecko diet, as well as occasionally rodents, if I am currently breeding]

After set up, you then have to look at what the other vendors have and price your stuff accordingly. Alot of people undercut one another, which is generally discouraged, but it happens. I also admit to being an expensive snob

You expect that customers are like you, and that they know what they want, go to the show, and have a budget of lets say $250 to find what they want, and spend it. Well, thats not how it works. In fact, the vast majority of people are first-time pet owners, and want a ball python, or gecko or something. Um, the first day you panic because no one buys anything, and then you drop your prices to "get rid" of the amazing amount of stock that you have, and finally sell a few things the next day, but its still not what you expect.

Do expect talking someone through the care and requirements and the perks of an animal, just to have someone spend 100$ less at a vendor across the way [bitter? a little]

Really, expect to go there, to talk to your customers, get your name out there, and show that you know your stuff. The vast majority of my sales came post-show from people who stopped in to talk to me, and picked up my business card.

Everyone knows dirty stinky stuff has fantastic animals, pictures, and excellent sexing skills [that souds so naughty when i say it] too bad I am changing our name! haha.

I wouldnt be opposed to sharing a table with someone, but I wouldnt suggest trying to share with direct competition [someone who sells the same item that you do]

Expect to spend $600 on a show [not including investment type items like cash box, displays, etc, that you would use at other shows] and use that as a rule of thumb of how much money you need to make to cut even. Usually I can make that in the sale of 2 geckos, so that is enough for me, and anything else is just extra and nice.

I might go all out and purchase new displays for this coming sac show, and if thats the case, ill have 4 large, rad deli cup holding wood and acrylic display cages FS/T

As for being a business, its usually expected, the only REQUIREMENT tho is to get a sellers permit [through your county, even tho I am contra costa and I use alameda - oakland] you can get temporary ones just for the show, but you might as well just get one for the year for the same price. You do need a "business name" tho you dont need a business license. I know that the permit is required for the shows we attend, but I am not 100% sure if it is required by the state. If you get a permit, you need to track your sales and pay sales tax on all of them. you also have to claim that income on your income tax returns [providing it is a sole proprietorship] The other required things is a care sheet for every species you sell, and reciepts with your name on them..

One of the benefits of sharing a table with someone, is that you dont have to have all that junk if its in their name
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I do well with the snake hooks at shows.
supplies are where the money is at.
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Thank you all for the info! It helps a lot. The only time I've done shows in the past was when I worked with NIAD (National Iguana Awareness Day) and did educational only booths, which were a lot of fun! I'd like to do shows to network and get my name out there, but don't see it happening until at least 2010 or 2011 when I'll have enough litters and variety to make it worthwhile. Tamara, if you decide to sell those deli-cup displays, please let me know! I am slowly getting all the 'props' together. I don't think I ever knew about a San Jose show although I have been to ones in San Mateo which were reptile/bird shows and rather dissapointing overall. The only thing I really miss about living in SoCal are all the big shows! I've never made the trek up to SacTown for their big show but perhaps I should.
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Our shows usually cost about 125 for the first table and 100 each for additional tables. Smaller shows like Birmingham's monthly one day event is 40 a table. If it's a local Atlanta repticon show, I have them ship me a big box of fliers and I put them out. I will spend on gas about the cost of the first table doing this but they give me how many ever tables I want. I'm not greedy and I do it more to make sure we have a good show than to get free tables. I just take 3 and am willing to shrink down as needed if they run out. I don't pay anything for the tables at the Atlanta shows. Also, the venue is just a few miles from where I live so I don't pay hotel either. I have a great relationship with the promoters. I help them in any way I can. And they go all out to help me. Some of the other shows outside Atlanta, I pay for one table and usually end up with 3..sometimes 4. I always give them a couple of nice hooks to give away as door prizes. I have on many occasions brought an air mattress, sleeping bag and a gun and camped out and helped with after hours security for the show...If there are no showers at the venue, there are plenty of fellow vendors that will lend me a hotel key, and I slip out and go take showers at their room. I have plenty of people that will watch my table while I'm gone. In the 4 years or so that I've been doing these shows, I've made some very close friends. I've also of course had the opportunity to see up close and behind the scenes of how some dealers work and know that I'd never do business with them. It cuts both ways. Lot of good and a lot of bad. There are a couple of guys that buy large wholesale lots...tons of animals and what doesn't sell at the show stays delicupped till the next show...and continues there till it sells or dies. They buy them so cheap that it's cheaper to replace the unfortunate dead than it is to feed and house all the hundreds or thousands of little mouths. Now and then, they get high end stuff and will send it to various petstores after the show on consignment so it will get kept alive and if not sold at the petstore between the end of the show and the beginning of the next, they bring it back..rinse and repeat. That's the ugly side of these shows. These are the guys I will not deal with ever. There are others for other reasons but those are the main ones. For the most part though, a LOT of the vendors are indeed hobbyists just like us that are all giddy about having the best quality animals...some are naive and ignorant about ethical issues like inbreeding and unhealthy traits like spider balls and green burms but they mean well. I wouldn't buy any ball python from someone dealing in spiders or any python of any kind from anyone who even has a green burm in their collection...but I might buy heat tape or a temp gun...or maybe even a bullsnake or something that can't possibly have any chance of picking up or having genetic exposure to these known diseased animals. anyway...I look forward to these shows. I can't wait for Columbia in June. It's always a great one.

Oh...sharing tables. I don't have it come up much but now and then if a friend has a few animals or some cages or something they need to move, I don't mind. If they take up a significant amount of table space, I let them pay for half a table or at least buy my dinner that night. I wouldn't let someone sell handling equipment ...not because I fear competition but because it's my banner flying and they will bring it back and yell at me when it breaks. I don't sell many animals...now and then I'll pick up a few after show deals, bring them home, get them feeding and then resell them at the next show. Why? because though hooks and supplies do well. There are a lot of people that won't stop and even look at what I have unless there are animals to look at.
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I understand that reasoning as well. I wont sell animals that are from people who I doubt their animals are 100% healthy, and would be willing to put my name on. All this talk about shows is getting me excited!

We were going to plan on going to Daytona, as well as Tinley Park, but job and $$ constraints seem like thats not happening.

I found a place that sells smaller, collapsible deli cup displays, and I really like the look of the acrylic ones they use for snakes. The ones we made are cool, theyre just so big and bulky. 2 are 2'x4', and 2 are 2'x3'
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