Pythonguy21's displeasure with our current administration

[JuliusSqueezer]

FDR? Oh...the president that ended the great depression and created middle America, FDIC, Social Security etc. You know before FDR, there was no such thing as middle class anywhere right? Every civilization anywhere ever was always made of a few rich and a whole lot of dirt poor paupers. Are you a Hoover man Brian? lol

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Hoover was a sadistic closet cross dressing homosexual. Well the one that ran the FBI for so long was. The president Hoover not really my type of politician.

[JuliusSqueezer]

Yeah...FDR made this country great for a lot more people than just the richest. I find it a little telling that the republicans bash him even now and try to downplay everything he did. If they had their way, it would all go back to...just a few greedy rich folks and everybody else would be starving...kinda like the motions set forth by Bush who is even bringing down the majority of big business in favor of just his oil tycoon buddies. It's fascinating that people that WILL and DO suffer at the hands of republican policies and design support it because all of the "conservative" views they toss in to gain the church vote even though those things are just political lures that have no chance of ever panning out but do great to steer people away from focusing on the economy. "Dems will raise taxes!!!" LOL...It's not really raising anyone's taxes by merely cutting out some of the crap big business is being allowed to get away with like receiving billions in refunds on taxes they never paid to begin with. Even if it did, I'd rather pay a bit more in taxes than to keep borrowing from China to the point the dollar isn't worth anything anyway. Does it really help anyone to save a couple of bucks if those bucks won't spend? We are headed for another great depression. It's going to take another FDR to get us out of it so go out today and hug a democrat. That's who's going to save the country if it can be saved...unless of course you are one of Bush's oil buddies in which case, you will still get to be nasty rich, just not off of middle American blood.

[Lucille]

Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

We are headed for another great depression. It's going to take another FDR to get us out of it so go out today and hug a democrat. That's who's going to save the country if it can be saved...unless of course you are one of Bush's oil buddies in which case, you will still get to be nasty rich, just not off of middle American blood.

Good post.

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Yeah...FDR made this country great for a lot more people than just the richest. I find it a little telling that the republicans bash him even now and try to downplay everything he did. If they had their way, it would all go back to...just a few greedy rich folks and everybody else would be starving...kinda like the motions set forth by Bush who is even bringing down the majority of big business in favor of just his oil tycoon buddies.

And in making the country great he ruined the financial backing of the entire nation. Up untill that point our money was backed in either gold or silver. Taking that away to increase spending for projects (which were really good ones and much needed BTW) to a cost way over the amount our cash reserves were backed by was not the greatest idea ever. But then we enetered into a "war economy" and things looked better as we were making goods and products at a higher rate than ever before. What we should have done at the war's end was totally crimple the German and Japanese by inforcing war repayments. But we went in and rebuilt what we destroyed.. Had we demanded and gotten repayments the dollar would still be strong as the yen would have taken another 30 years to out match the dollar.

Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

It's fascinating that people that WILL and DO suffer at the hands of republican policies and design support it because all of the "conservative" views they toss in to gain the church vote even though those things are just political lures that have no chance of ever panning out but do great to steer people away from focusing on the economy.

I am all for the strict seperation of church and state. Yet in the south you see the baptists pretty much running the show. Take for example Alabama. Every time a bill comes up to allow a state lottery the baptists go running down to Montgomery in mass to fight it. Yet the funding they get to fight it comes from certain Mississippi casino PAC's. Their latest theory to oppose casino's and a lottery was that it takes money away from the poor. I'm of the opinion if you go out and loose your entire gov't check at the craps table or in buying lottery tickets your stupid. And by the laws of natural selection you should starve and die.

Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

"Dems will raise taxes!!!" LOL...It's not really raising anyone's taxes by merely cutting out some of the crap big business is being allowed to get away with like receiving billions in refunds on taxes they never paid to begin with.

On personal income democrats are known to increase taxes for the most part. And by increasing taxes on business do you mean over all taxes or limit the amount of incentives they get for building in a certain area? Reason I ask is Alabama has been known for offering super sweet incentive packages for big business that chooses to build here. Prime examples are Mercedes Benz, Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, and the latest Thiessen Krupp. And talks are ongoing with VW and Porsche to build automotive plants in the state also.

Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Even if it did, I'd rather pay a bit more in taxes than to keep borrowing from China to the point the dollar isn't worth anything anyway. Does it really help anyone to save a couple of bucks if those bucks won't spend?

Also consider the dollar is based upon "new start" construction also. With numbers at a low thanks to the sub prime blunder the economy really suffers. The only new starts that are up are commercial and mainly apartment buildings. Got to have some where for these people to live once they get kicked out of the houses they had no business getting in the first place. And no it wasn't all the people's fault. Brokers got greedy and fitched numbers where they should not have. In simple terms it is like this. A guy works at McDonalds flipping burgers and goes into a bank to get a loan on a new Lambo LP640. He is honest on his application and puts down he makes 35,000 dollars a year. The loan officer in order to get him approved and get a commission on the loan adds in another 0 and makes it where he makes 350,000 dollars a year. The loan is approved, the guy pickes up his car, and 4 months later it gets repo'ed because he could not afford to make the 5423.43 dollar a month payments. It wasn't the guy working at McDonalds fault, he was just seeing if he could get a loan. In most cases he would be turned down but the loan officer fudged the documents and with income like that he was approved by the upper management at the bank. Same thing happened with this sub prime blunder. Not in all cases but some. Add in the "interest only loans" and the way it was set up and you have problems.

Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

We are headed for another great depression. It's going to take another FDR to get us out of it so go out today and hug a democrat. That's who's going to save the country if it can be saved...unless of course you are one of Bush's oil buddies in which case, you will still get to be nasty rich, just not off of middle American blood.

Maybe, but none of the current front runners have what it takes. John McCain is an ok guy but he doesn't have it either. I just like him because no one messes with him in Washington. The guy can be a total tyrant and scares people. Which is good to a certain extent. Clinton lies with such ease it is just down right scary, and Obama..... Who really knows what that guy will do if elected? I do know one thing if he is elected. He should take the advice Dave Chappell was giving in his stand up skit about the first black president. Chappell in his skit says the first black president better watch out and be smart enough to get a vice president that will insure no one tries to kill him. In the skit he says a Mexican vice president would do that. As he said "You kill me he'll just open up the boarders completely. Isn't that right vice president Santiago? (Santiago answers) "Se".. I think the country as a whole will be more receptive of a black president without the religious affiliations Obama has. Honestly the guy is a quick study and pretty sharp but I just don't think he will be accepted warmly at all. Look at all the mess with Mitt Romney..

[JuliusSqueezer]

Chappell's thoughts on VP are dead on lol. I was thinking Hillary would keep him pretty safe He's also half white btw. How come the white half doesn't factor in for any of the racist critics?

You can't take anything away from FDR, sorry. Nothing. There are other things to back money with besides gold and silver. Apparently Arab oil isn't the answer either The numbers speak for themselves. Under democrat rule, we have more stable economy and a strong middle class. Everything else is fluff and gruff. The republican way = no middle class whatsoever and even the upper middle class is subject to poverty if they get their way. I don't care about abortion or gun control or gay marriage. I don't believe any of those church issues will ever reach a radical point anyway so they are moot points that are only ever really addressed with any gusto during campaigns. FDR stepped in and brought the country out of a seemingly hopeless depression. The gold and silver backing our money obviously wasn't enough. It all sounds good and it's easy to claim that was better. But...there was NO MIDDLE CLASS. The majority of America was POOR...until FDR. Now...granted a lot of people lived somewhat comfortable as far as not doing without by working hard ...very hard but they really didn't have anything. It's easy to look at Gone With the Wind and other Hollywood movies and assume that the majority of America had a lush life but the reality is, the plantation owners and other wealthy folks were an elite few. Everyone else was struggling to survive. Very rich and very poor is the way it's been for every civilization including ours ...until...FDR. My dad's name is Franklin Delano Gardin btw...My middle name is Franklin

My grandparents were tobacco farmers and suffered dearly through the depression. My great grandparents split and left the kids to fend for themselves. My grandfather at age 12, took his 8 year old brother and raised him ...and his self. They slept in barns, worked on farms...sometimes got a few pennies, sometimes got a meal. Sometimes worked all day and told to hit the road. Through the teens and twenties and into the thirties times were rougher than anyone alive today in America could possibly imagine. Even the "roaring twenties" was pretty harsh for most. Yeah...The dollar was tied to gold and silver through all those years...but there wasn't enough of them to go around was there? Even as weak is the dollar is now, it's stronger than when it was tied to gold and silver and with a little tweaking of the economy by a strong democrat that's more concerned about the future of the country than lining his pockets by fluffing his oil buddies...Sorry but when things suck like they suck now, it's not the time to be conservative. It's time to be radical. Thank God we didn't get stuck with a non stop string of conservatives from Hoover to now or we'd still be in the same depression that FDR brought us out of...or speaking a different language ...probably Japanese or German.
Gotta admit FDR had some snappy quotes

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

But while they prate of economic laws, men and women are starving. We must lay hold of the fact that economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings.
Franklin D. Roosevelt


Don't forget what I discovered that over ninety percent of all national deficits from 1921 to 1939 were caused by payments for past, present, and future wars.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

I think we consider too much the good luck of the early bird and not enough the bad luck of the early worm.
Franklin D. Roosevelt


If civilization is to survive, we must cultivate the science of human relationships - the ability of all peoples, of all kinds, to live together, in the same world at peace.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

If we can boondoggle ourselves out of this depression, that word is going to be enshrined in the hearts of the American people for years to come.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

It is common sense to take a method and try it. If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain its sovereign control over the goverment.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

There are many ways of going forward, but only one way of standing still.
Franklin D. Roosevelt


True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Chappell's thoughts on VP are dead on lol. I was thinking Hillary would keep him pretty safe He's also half white btw. How come the white half doesn't factor in for any of the racist critics?

You got me on that one. I could really care less what ethnic backround they are as long as they will actually do what they promise.

Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

You can't take anything away from FDR, sorry. Nothing. There are other things to back money with besides gold and silver. Apparently Arab oil isn't the answer either The numbers speak for themselves. Under democrat rule, we have more stable economy and a strong middle class. Everything else is fluff and gruff. The republican way = no middle class whatsoever and even the upper middle class is subject to poverty if they get their way. I don't care about abortion or gun control or gay marriage. I don't believe any of those church issues will ever reach a radical point anyway so they are moot points that are only ever really addressed with any gusto during campaigns. FDR stepped in and brought the country out of a seemingly hopeless depression. The gold and silver backing our money obviously wasn't enough. It all sounds good and it's easy to claim that was better. But...there was NO MIDDLE CLASS. The majority of America was POOR...until FDR. Now...granted a lot of people lived somewhat comfortable as far as not doing without by working hard ...very hard but they really didn't have anything. It's easy to look at Gone With the Wind and other Hollywood movies and assume that the majority of America had a lush life but the reality is, the plantation owners and other wealthy folks were an elite few. Everyone else was struggling to survive. Very rich and very poor is the way it's been for every civilization including ours ...until...FDR. My dad's name is Franklin Delano Gardin btw...My middle name is Franklin

Under democrats the economy is stable??? Have you forgotten Jimmy Carter?? That man almost caused a total collapse of our economy and killed off the housing industry. A good person Carter is and I will freely admit to that. A crappy president though.

Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

My grandparents were tobacco farmers and suffered dearly through the depression. My great grandparents split and left the kids to fend for themselves. My grandfather at age 12, took his 8 year old brother and raised him ...and his self. They slept in barns, worked on farms...sometimes got a few pennies, sometimes got a meal. Sometimes worked all day and told to hit the road. Through the teens and twenties and into the thirties times were rougher than anyone alive today in America could possibly imagine. Even the "roaring twenties" was pretty harsh for most. Yeah...The dollar was tied to gold and silver through all those years...but there wasn't enough of them to go around was there? Even as weak is the dollar is now, it's stronger than when it was tied to gold and silver and with a little tweaking of the economy by a strong democrat that's more concerned about the future of the country than lining his pockets by fluffing his oil buddies...Sorry but when things suck like they suck now, it's not the time to be conservative. It's time to be radical. Thank God we didn't get stuck with a non stop string of conservatives from Hoover to now or we'd still be in the same depression that FDR brought us out of...or speaking a different language ...probably Japanese or German.

My great grandparents were cotton farmers. Nothing like hearing how 4000 acres of crop wasn't worth anything in those days. When my grandfather took over it didn't get much better till the war started. Between that and selling 1000 acres to then Southern Electrical Generating Company he did alright. The 60's were good years as were the early 70's. Then Carter came to office and it too a dump for 4 long years. And my grandfather was a die hard democrat but gave due props to Regan for turning what was a bad situation around. The 80's were really great years but he saw the writing on the wall. Family run farms were becoming a thing of the past. So he sold out and moved on.

As for the middle class. It is a newer concept as history never really had a middle class. You always had upper classes and those who worked for them. The good thing it does is balance the over all tax burden. If it wasn't for the middle class taxes would be sky high.. :scared: And being that there is more in the middle class than upper or poorer class they carry the bulk of the tax burden on sheer numbers alone.

And the whole backing the dollar by something solid is a tricky issue now days with the population as high as it is. Anything of value as a natural resource is limited in it's supply, yet we are not limited in our growth and that means we are not limited in our spending either. At the rate we are going we couldn't really base the value of the dollar on gold as we would be way over supply the second it was changed. You cannot base it on commodities either as nature has a way of messing with crop yields. The only way I see a turn in the economy happening is to take the 17 some odd million illegal aliens and send them packing back to their home countries. Not like they pay taxes anyway.. That would give a couple billion dollars surplus a year to start actually paying off some of these loans we have. That in turn will increase the standing of the dollar on the world market also. Also the job market would be flush with jobs since that seems to be a big worry now days also.

[david]

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Bush will be recorded as the worst president ever.
that will go to clinton
George Bush, Conda slezy rice, colin powell, #$!#$!#$!#$! cheney, donald rumsfield should all be tried for war crimes, and hung just like they did to saddam.
you are out of your mind

[JuliusSqueezer]

Carter was weak. I agree. There is no absolute perfect system and not everyone can step in and clean up huge messes left behind. Viet Nam was an ugly war. It didn't get the same moral support here at home that WWII and Korea did. The baby boomers era and all that love peace and LSD didn't exactly make for a productive generation. You tie the hippy movement to the late 60s but these people weren't taking over corporate and working America till the 70s and that's the generation Carter had to work with. "We the People" does mean something...not sure what any more but it means something. A lot of those people grew up later in life and decided to be successful. (I think they all work for Microsoft now lol). It's really hard to say what would have worked better than what Carter tried but it's quite evident that Carter didn't pull it off. Carters bad times weren't anything near as bad as this mess we are in now though. We were all singing the blues back then because gas was almost 2 dollars a gallon...Interest rates were ridiculous. Heck...They were ridiculous long after carter. Regan never fixed that. Neither did Bush Sr. I was selling cars through all the Bush Sr years. Interest rates were high...They were excellent under Clinton.

Reaganomics was only slightly better than Carternomics. That whole trickle down thing never happened. Reagan did a great job of convincing poor and middle classed people that they would be trickled upon some day and even a lot of republicans snicker at that. Reagan gets the distinct record of having the most criminals on staff. What was it? Like over 200 top govt officials either on charges, resigning to avoid charges or sitting in front of the ethics committee at some point?

Conservatives answer to everything seems to be to go blow someone up. I fail to see how a quick trigger finger rates as "conservative".

Democrats aren't perfect either...Their way does historically provide for a better economy (minus the carter years) but the war mongers typically find the dems boring. I guess it's who we are though. We are the only nation after all that mentions bombs in our national anthem.

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Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Carter was weak. I agree. There is no absolute perfect system and not everyone can step in and clean up huge messes left behind. Viet Nam was an ugly war. It didn't get the same moral support here at home that WWII and Korea did. The baby boomers era and all that love peace and LSD didn't exactly make for a productive generation. You tie the hippy movement to the late 60s but these people weren't taking over corporate and working America till the 70s and that's the generation Carter had to work with. "We the People" does mean something...not sure what any more but it means something. A lot of those people grew up later in life and decided to be successful. (I think they all work for Microsoft now lol). It's really hard to say what would have worked better than what Carter tried but it's quite evident that Carter didn't pull it off. Carters bad times weren't anything near as bad as this mess we are in now though. We were all singing the blues back then because gas was almost 2 dollars a gallon...Interest rates were ridiculous. Heck...They were ridiculous long after carter. Regan never fixed that. Neither did Bush Sr. I was selling cars through all the Bush Sr years. Interest rates were high...They were excellent under Clinton.

That was due to the slow "trickle down effect" after all... And 2 dollars a gallon in 1970's money factoring in inflation and value differences of the dollar on the world market pretty much relate to what we are paying now plus or minus 20 cents a gallon.

Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Reaganomics was only slightly better than Carternomics. That whole trickle down thing never happened. Reagan did a great job of convincing poor and middle classed people that they would be trickled upon some day and even a lot of republicans snicker at that. Reagan gets the distinct record of having the most criminals on staff. What was it? Like over 200 top govt officials either on charges, resigning to avoid charges or sitting in front of the ethics committee at some point?

In mass maybe, but in total over all corruption Regan's staff wasn't near being the worst on record for a president. That one goes to Warren G. Harding (1921-1923) and the "Ohio Gang" he brought with him. Mainly Harry Daugherty, Charley Forbes, Ned McLean, Jesse Smith, "Mort" Mortimer, and even Hardings own personal physician "Doc" Sawyer. These guys would sell appointments to office, immunity from prosecution, pardons and paroles, illegal consessions, and liquor withdrawal permits. And they didn't even try and hide it. And yes Harding was a republican who had no clue untill it was too late. As one written account goes a visitor to the White House had the misfortune of opening the wrong door and seeing President Harding with his hands around Charley Forbes neck while screaming "You yellow rat!! You double crossing bast...!!" Forbes later went to prison. And after Harding pulled in Jesse Smith for a "heart to heart" Smith promptly went home and blew his brains out. The only good thing Harding did was die of a blood clot on the brain before the scandal broke. And selling arms to Iran (huge mistake in the first place but hey we were helping them fight communism) and selling free get out of jail cards is a whole different ball game. Though come to think about it Clinton did hand out a ton of pardons and free passes when he was in office.

And also Harry S. Truman had scandal in his second term. A big one at that. And it was over deep freezers and fur coats. Some 166 IRS personel were fired or quit with many of them facing tax fixing and bribery charges. Matter of fact a certain business man who gained Truman's ear through General Harry Vaughan and gave Mrs. Truman one of these freezers was president of a perfume company that got special priority to fly into Europe as soon as the war ended to buy new perfumes. On his flight back he even "bumped" a wounded veteran from a flight so he could get back sooner.

Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Conservatives answer to everything seems to be to go blow someone up. I fail to see how a quick trigger finger rates as "conservative".

Not so and history proves that. Abraham Lincoln didn't want a war between the states and tried everything he could think of to avoid it. And it was a democrat that got us involved in the entire Viet Nam mess. And also it was a democrat that got us involved in the Korean War also.

Originally Posted by JuliusSqueezer

Democrats aren't perfect either...Their way does historically provide for a better economy (minus the carter years) but the war mongers typically find the dems boring. I guess it's who we are though. We are the only nation after all that mentions bombs in our national anthem.

Which was written by a "pro-administration" party supporter which later became the "Federalist" party which was opposed by (get this one) the "Democratic-Republican" party which split 3 ways into the Republicans, Jeffersonians, Democrats. So there is no sure fire way to tell what Mr. Key was due to the mass confusion in the early years of our nations political growth.