Pythonguy21's displeasure with our current administration

[ilovemylizard]

Originally Posted by bcfos

Now thanks to these morons allowing people who had no business ever getting a home in the first place to get one we are in a financial crunch. Sub prime lending thank god is a thing of the past now, but the damage hasn't reached it's peak yet.

Yet they want to bail out these people and use federal tax dollars to do it!! I say let them get evicted and rent apartments. If they can't pay for it now what do you think will happen when those tax dollars are gone? Yeah they will fail to pay and still get foreclosed on..

I watched this go on in California during the big buying boom in the last few years...I as well have no sympathy for these idiots who now can't pay their mortgages...when will people realize, if you make $20 an hour you can't afford a $500,000 house!!!

If the lenders were outright lying, ok I can see there is a difference, but as far as people who gambled that prices would just go higher before their interest rates reset, I say show them no mercy!

One of the reasons I moved recently to eastern Colorado, was I needed to be realistic as this is one of the few places I can actually afford to buy a home, based on my income, on a traditional (no financial tricks) loan...

The end of last year, I tried to get a $40,000 FHA loan to purchase a very nice 3 bedroom house here....I was turned down...as a direct result of these morons and their mass foreclosures nationwide.

That really burns me...that I was trying to be responsible by picking something I could afford...and I had an OK Fico score too...yet I am the one being punished for the stupidity of these subprime buyers....they are going to get bailouts...I ask, where is my bailout...where is help for me to buy my first home?

[bcfos]

Originally Posted by pythonguy21

sorry don't blame nato, this is a illegal war, gas prices are high because the middle east wants to starve out america and stop its bullying.
we have no business in Iraq period.

the iraq war was all for bush and his personal agenda.

i hope he gets impeached and hung for high treason and war crimes.

I've heard this argument from weak minded liberals for years and it never ends up a winning proposition for them.
#1) Gas prices are high because of BASIC ECONOMICS which sadly most liberals have not a clue about. They just think they can tax and spend and save the (enter current trendy charity case here) and not worry about future issues due to their lacking of long term thinking. 10 years ago China was nothing more than a cheap manufacturing hub of sub standard goods for export. But due to them exporting in massive high volumes and the fact they can pay a worker a couple of dollars a day for a 14 hour work day they started getting a massive influx of cash. Thus making them a developing country. Them developing so rapidly with massive infastructure projects have not only put a rising cost on fuel but other commodities and goods also. These would include copper, lumber, and even concrete. It's just not fuel. China is the reason copper went from trading at 79 cents a pound in 1999 to well over 3 dollars a pound in 2008. Just be happy fuel prices didn't jump to that high a precentage. It isn't the war, never was. It is basic supply and demand economics.

#2) If the war is illegal why hasn't congress who is chock full of liberals with nothing to do with the oil industry ended it? Because it isn't illegal for one. And two would you rather take the fight to them or have another 9/11 here? Yeah thought so. Me I'm sick and tired of America always bailing out other countries so ending the war would be ok with me. But in doing so we would have to completely close our boarders and be selective of who we allow to visit. That would fire up that band of morons the aclu which would jam up our court system with massive alw suits. Plus the total cost of creating a closed boarder would be so high you could expect a raise in income taxes to help cover the total cost. And that raise would come on who? Not big business or those making more than 250 a year.. Oh no.... It would be shouldered squarely on the middle class. Why you may ask? The middle class is the bulk of the population forst off. Second any member of congress is at that 250k or better earnings bracket and you know they aren't going to vote in a tax raise on themselves.

#3) And you can blame NATO for what happened in Iraq to start this whole thing. Why you might ask? America had a ban on doing business with Iraq as did a number of other countries due to the crimes against humanity the former dictatorship was doing. Yet the French who are major players in NATO did a whole lot of business with the former regime.. And a lot of that business was the type of business that could allow Iraq to produce in massive volumes weapons grade biological and chemical weapons. Main point would be in 1994 a large company in France sold Iraq a whole lot of equipment that was to be used in the research and development of pesticides for their agricultural needs. This same equipment which didn't need to be modified could make about 4 tons a day of weapons grade anthrax. Heck the French even went over and helped them set this equipment up. IN BOMB PROOF BUILDINGS!! Why would a country need something for their agricultural industry set up in buildings with 14 feet thick steel reinforced walls and roofs?? THEY WOULDN'T!! Yet the French still went through with the deal. Then enter 1996 a full two years later. NATO inspectors wanted to gain enterance to this facility and test it to make sure no chemical or biological agents were made there. What did the Iraq leadership do? Deny them that inspection! NATO could have pushed the issue to force an inspection but the... Yep you guessed it French lodged a complaint and it was never forced. Wonder why? Maybe because they knew what was going on and if found out they would be in a really big bind. Then when we invaded all this equipment was gone.. My question is where did it all go? Give you one guess and Sryia doesn't count. :closedeyes: And what I have said thus far can be proven by doing a little research into it. Anything more in depth is classified and doubtful will ever be released in it's current form without a whole lot of editing done to it.

So still think the war is illegal and the cause of the spike in fuel prices? Or is there a small bit of doubt in your mind now?

[bcfos]

Originally Posted by ilovemylizard

I watched this go on in California during the big buying boom in the last few years...I as well have no sympathy for these idiots who now can't pay their mortgages...when will people realize, if you make $20 an hour you can't afford a $500,000 house!!!

If the lenders were outright lying, ok I can see there is a difference, but as far as people who gambled that prices would just go higher before their interest rates reset, I say show them no mercy!

One of the reasons I moved recently to eastern Colorado, was I needed to be realistic as this is one of the few places I can actually afford to buy a home, based on my income, on a traditional (no financial tricks) loan...

The end of last year, I tried to get a $40,000 FHA loan to purchase a very nice 3 bedroom house here....I was turned down...as a direct result of these morons and their mass foreclosures nationwide.

That really burns me...that I was trying to be responsible by picking something I could afford...and I had an OK Fico score too...yet I am the one being punished for the stupidity of these subprime buyers....they are going to get bailouts...I ask, where is my bailout...where is help for me to buy my first home?

California has always been on the edge of the "bubble" and ready to pop IMO. The market there was just way over priced and had been for years. I remember talking to a girl who lived out there about home prices in early 2000. The hous I was living in at the time in Cali would cost according to her well over 5 million. In Alabama it was marketed at 600k when I sold it. Huge price difference!! Florida got the same way to an extent but that was mainly due to investors grabbing up everything they could thinking the price would continue to go up. Now you have people with 3 or 4 homes they cannot pay for nor sell without taking a huge loss. Thus proving my theory I got into an argument over on RTB some years back about property being a "good sound investment". Even then I was in the process of taking a lot of my stock holdings in American companies and moving that money into Chinese companies. Not that I saw a market slide coming, but I saw better profit potential in a developing country. I rolled 5000 share of Green Mountain Power which was trading at 34.57 a share into CNOOC Ltd. (CEO) the biggest supplier of fuel in China which was then trading at 23.41 a share. Now CEO is at 180.98 a share. Never see gains like that in the American market..

And your being punished for basically being honest and knowing what you can and cannot afford which I think is stupid. If everyone was like you then this whole problem would have been avoided in the first place. And all these idiots that invested in property thinking they would get a quick return on investment added to it. There is never a quick ROI and if there is you should be suspect of it because the bottom can and will drop out of it soon. In markets where you see 10-25% growth you need to avoid like the herpes. Average growth is around 2.8-4.6% and anything over that is due to something like really large projects which end. A slow steady growth is healthy in real estate. A drastic huge growth isn't as was proven yet again.

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[pythonguy21]

i wouldn't expect a neocon to understand.

why don't you investigate 9-11

tell me why for the first time in history 3 steel buildings fell due to fire of a hydrocarbon that was burn up on impact. tell me why they fell in free fall speed, tell me why the laws of physics were denied that day, tell me who was involved, Silverstein and the bush buddies. one building wasn't hit by a plane, tell me how all three fell perfectly into their footsteps into their basements. tell me how a hydrocarbon can leave metal in a liquid state, oh wait it cant but thermite can. tell me how for the first time in history 2 planes "vaporized" oh wait they cant. tell me how rolls royce denied the parts that were the supposed plane crash engines. ooops. tell me how a 757 hit the pentagon yet hundreds of pilots call it impossible 757 are aeronautical planes.(father in law is a air traffic control and pilot.) if you think 9-11 was a "terrorist" attack your a moron. it was planned and left to happen so bush could go to war. bush is the only terrorist. these people we are attacking have a right to defend themselves and kill our soldiers. we are invading THEIR homes.

this whole war and current presidency is a mockery of the united states.

its funny to here a jew to be a neocon and advocate the death of others, im disappointed in you honestly. i guess maybe hitler had rights then to but oh wait you wouldnt agree with him would you. bush is no worse then hitler.

[Lucille]

Originally Posted by bcfos

#1) Gas prices are high because of BASIC ECONOMICS

I agree. Watch what you say about liberals, buddy.

Originally Posted by pythonguy21

its funny to here a jew to be a neocon and advocate the death of others, im disappointed in you honestly. i guess maybe hitler had rights then to but oh wait you wouldnt agree with him would you. bush is no worse then hitler.

You are out of control here. Brian has been in the business world for decades and although he has somewhat of a flamboyant personal life he has a good eye for business trends. If you disagree with his assessment why not supply a cogent answer so we can all gain by hearing the carefully considered ideas offered by each side.

Originally Posted by pythonguy21

i wouldn't expect a neocon to understand.

Whatever one's political leanings, if you explain your position in clear and cogent terms, all will understand. They may not agree, but if you explain well, they will understand.

[danktat]

Getting borderline on slander here. Lets keep it civil. Politics is heated but lets not get out of control.

[pythonguy21]

sorry dank as a registered republican, well not for much longer think im going to change to independent cause i dont support any party views any more, it makes me mad when people think bush is a saint. and our current economic crisis has no cause.

things are they way they are because of our lovely leader.

12,000 soldiers dead, 1 million iraq citizens dead for what??? what is everyone dead for.

bush=sieg heil

[bcfos]

Originally Posted by pythonguy21

I wouldn't expect a neocon to understand.

Way far removed from the neo movement. I am pro big business granted but also support small business as it is the future growth of our nation. Big business started small once now didn't it? And I also support various environmental causes because fact is if we continue killing off our environment we kill ourselves. Prime example is the "Clean Air Act" which is nothing more than a joke with more loop holes in it than Swiss cheese. I can "Broker" a EPA certified clean burning or low emissions permit from say Duke Energy to say FPL who might be forced to pay 200 million or more to get said certification for around 30 million (plus 20% fees to the broker). So how does selling one utility a clean air certification make them less of a pollution source? It doesn't!! It was the way the law was written that various loop holes were installed to make certain people money. Yeah I make money off of it but it in no way gives me a warm fuzzy feeling doing so knowing emissions are not curbed.

Originally Posted by pythonguy21

why don't you investigate 9-11

Already did.

Originally Posted by pythonguy21

tell me why for the first time in history 3 steel buildings fell due to fire of a hydrocarbon that was burn up on impact. tell me why they fell in free fall speed, tell me why the laws of physics were denied that day, tell me who was involved, Silverstein and the bush buddies. one building wasn't hit by a plane, tell me how all three fell perfectly into their footsteps into their basements. tell me how a hydrocarbon can leave metal in a liquid state, oh wait it cant but thermite can. tell me how for the first time in history 2 planes "vaporized" oh wait they cant. tell me how rolls royce denied the parts that were the supposed plane crash engines. ooops. tell me how a 757 hit the pentagon yet hundreds of pilots call it impossible 757 are aeronautical planes.(father in law is a air traffic control and pilot.) if you think 9-11 was a "terrorist" attack your a moron. it was planned and left to happen so bush could go to war. bush is the only terrorist. these people we are attacking have a right to defend themselves and kill our soldiers. we are invading THEIR homes.

When you get a degree in structural engineering post that degree for us all to see. Till then limit yourself to understanding something you might actually have a little bit of a clue about. But then again conspiracy theorists like you still believe the CIA killed Kennedy. Why would they do that when he was worth more to them alive seeing the blackmail potential they had on him? That would be equivalent to shooting the goose that lays the golden eggs.

And if you want to know how a plane crash and subsequent fire caused steel to become molten here it is. Each plane was chosen because it was full of jet fuel for long range trips. Jet fuel (jet-A) has a flash rate at 410 degrees and burns at 1,796 degrees by itself. Add in other fuel sources and you get an increase in over all burn temperature that in the case of the towers was right at up to 2,300 (even more in some reports) degrees. Structural steel will start melting at 2,066 degrees. Factor in load mass and you have a problem. That problem would be structural failure and collapse. The over all weight of the upper floors being what they were caused the collapse on the first initial lower floor to have a dynamic impact this increasing its energy potential on floors lower than the first initial impact. Simple terms are it was as equal if not greater than a planned demolition thus causing an imploded effect downward with greater gathering force. And when you have two of the largest buildings in the world falling as these did you have a lot of dynamic force thrust downward. This force weakened other buildings and the end result was collapse. The national association of civil engineers accepts this but some people will always be so far out there in their views there is no help for them.. Also factor in when the buildings were constructed and the massive documented use of sub standard materials in NYC around that time due to certain criminal organizations having a strangle hold on the construction industry in that city. And you can come back with why didn't inspectors fail the sub standard materials when they inspected it.. Quite simple. Research the well documented cases of pay off's to inspectors during that time frame also.

Also aircraft aluminum is a very easy metal to melt in said extreme temperatures. Fire retardant seats and so forth are not built to withstand that heat either.

And Rolls Royce would in fact deny parts from their engines being that the engines involved were of the 757-200 which uses a Pratt & Whitney PW2000 or in later models a GE CF6-32.

Originally Posted by pythonguy21

this whole war and current presidency is a mockery of the united states.

Granted Bush as "second term syndrome" and really acts like he could care a less. But it could be worse. The blame on the FBI and CIA not properly informing the past two presidents of the increased danger of domestic attacks were nothing more than those two agencies keeping secrets to themselves like they have for decades. Now I can understand them wanting to keep things from Clinton.. God knows what new lies he would have come up with if he knew the danger. Or better yet Al Gore would have just blamed it all on global warming. For decades each agency that is trusted for keeping America safe has failed to work with other like agencies. Now that isn't the case thankfully. The FBI never trusted the CIA, the CIA never trusted the FBI, and no one trusted the NSA because that is still the only federal agency that does not have its budget published.

Originally Posted by pythonguy21

its funny to here a Jew to be a neocon and advocate the death of others, im disappointed in you honestly. i guess maybe hitler had rights then to but oh wait you wouldnt agree with him would you. bush is no worse then hitler.

So you saying Israel plays around?? They don't. If it comes down to it and a war breaks out in the middle east with Israel and the Arab nations you will see the second use of tactical nuclear weapons in war. Syria and Iran will be left to total waste and you think oil is high now... And it is just plain moronic and shows lack of taste, symbolic racism, and lack of education to place Bush in with Hitler. Hitler had a goal and that goal was total world domination by force. Collateral damage and any treaties before were thrown out the door. There was no method to his madness, civilians from races other than the Jewish race were slaughtered as were POW's. The Russians took the brunt of this and that is the reason why Hitler took the easy route out. He knew if the Russians got a hold of him brother Joseph would have him tortured for years to come which I for one would agree would be a little just. I fail to see where Bush has ordered the mass slaughter of any one race or POW's. Sure a little water boarding has happened along with some other controversial methods of interrogation.. But mass out right slaughter?? Come on get a grip!!

[pythonguy21]

wow you read the 9/11 official story you just quoted everything they said, to bad you cant think for yourself. you still didnt explain how all three buildings fell perfectly into thier footsteps, you also didnt explain the rate of speed at which the fell, near 0 resistance, there is a lot of other things you didnt explain also

however i would prefer not to see any more of your neocon post, its people like that will continue to vote for people that are killing this country.

i guess you have an explanation for the pentagon to, oh you left that on out. hmmm

or the lack of a plane wreckage since it "crashed" but left no wreckage at the crash site, how ever their was wreckage over a 4 mile area no bigger than the size of a telephone book. rumsfeld saying the plane was shot down at a press conferance. hmmmm
the coroner saying he quit after 15 mins cause there wasnt a drop of blood, also the plane "crash" looked like no plane crash ever.

[bcfos]

Originally Posted by pythonguy21

sorry dank as a registered republican, well not for much longer think im going to change to independent cause i dont support any party views any more, it makes me mad when people think bush is a saint. and our current economic crisis has no cause.

Honestly it isn't about the party anymore for me. It is what the person can do for the country. What great plans they might have that might start the economy going in the right direction again.

Yet sadly the American people have been lied to so much in the past by both democrats and republican people it is really hard to trust anyone running for public office.

Originally Posted by pythonguy21

things are they way they are because of our lovely leader.

No one claimed Bush was a saint. I never expected much out of him but he did ok his first term. His second term is just coasting till he's out. Nothing of any importance will be done and it is a crying shame.

Originally Posted by pythonguy21

12,000 soldiers dead, 1 million iraq citizens dead for what??? what is everyone dead for.

Called war. It happens thus death comes with it. The numbers are a little inflated on the Iraq side I do believe and I would n't call insurgents civilians either. If you pick up a weapon to fight in war by conventional or unconventional means you are thus listed as a combatant which means you can and will be killed. Stay away from the bomb making material and guns and your a civilian. And their own people are responsible for more deaths of their own than we are.

Originally Posted by pythonguy21

bush=sieg heil

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