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you haven't travelled much, have you? gas prices here are still waaaay less than in other countries.
Ok a few items of note. First, yes; price-per-gallon-of-fuel costs are much cheaper here than other countries. They are also much cheaper here than others (namely those that proDUCE it). Here's why, though. The countries that pay the most for fuel ALSO get other benefits that we don't, aka government health care etc. So don't complain TOO much...

We definitely get our oil from all over the world...no one place gives us all our oil, heck, we drill some of it HERE. I have to find the breakdown of where we get our oil from...but the bulk of it is from the middle east and south america.
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Our Democrat run congress has not done much to help either though. There are alot of cogs in the machine that effect gas prices.
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If you dont like the U.S......LEAVE!
I've never been a fan of the 'love it or leave it' camp.
Our freedom to criticize the government has been established in our constitution, and it is a way to make our country stronger. I am grarteful to be a U.S. citizen but part of what that means is if you feel the government is doing something that isn't right, you have the ability to say so.

If I didn't like something the present administration in our government was doing, I wouldn't leave, I'd squawk about it, write about it, talk about it, and try to change it. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate my country; in fact, it means I do.
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I've never been a fan of the 'love it or leave it' camp.
Our freedom to criticize the government has been established in our constitution, and it is a way to make our country stronger. I am grarteful to be a U.S. citizen but part of what that means is if you feel the government is doing something that isn't right, you have the ability to say so.

If I didn't like something the present administration in our government was doing, I wouldn't leave, I'd squawk about it, write about it, talk about it, and try to change it. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate my country; in fact, it means I do.
i agree with you on this.
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i agree with you on this.
Yeah, we may have differing views on macroeconomics, but I'd fight side by side with you against those who would try to stamp out our freedom to make our voices heard when we disagree with our government. It should be a government by the people, and for the people; there is no question that big government exercises a real strong trend away from those simple but important freedoms.
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gas finally broke 4.00 a gallon tonight, im so freaking ticked its not even funny.
im ready to go on a oil company man hunt, when will the raping of the American people stop.
Supply and demand. The demand is high (super high) and it isn't all our demand either. China is a rapidly developing nation and uses almost 3 times the amount of crude we do daily. Add to that the Arab nations know oil is a limited natural resource and will run out in some of their countries in as few as 30 years. So they using their marketing arm OPEC get as much per barrel as they can.

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DO THEY WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY AND HOMES I GUESS SOO.
No because if they do demand will slack off and thus force lower prices in return. It's just basic economics at its worst for America...


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well i guess America might finally be on its way out, cause the rate of inflation will have us in the next depression before this election so it wont matter anyways.
Our economy is based on worthless backing. Thanks to FDR taking us off of the gold standard there is nothing to back our cash. And for years the growth in the housing industry has been good. Now thanks to these morons allowing people who had no business ever getting a home in the first place to get one we are in a financial crunch. Sub prime lending thank god is a thing of the past now, but the damage hasn't reached it's peak yet. Yet they want to bail out these people and use federal tax dollars to do it!! I say let them get evicted and rent apartments. If they can't pay for it now what do you think will happen when those tax dollars are gone? Yeah they will fail to pay and still get foreclosed on..


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we attack iraq, iraq has oil, iraq charges us more for oil, higher oil = higher revenue for them, so not only are they making tons of money off of us using thier goods, the american taxpayers are also having to pay for them to rebuild thier country that we destroyed.
Blame NATO!! We are bound by rules and regulations thanks to NATO that seriously limit our abilities to fight this war in the manner it needs to be fought in. Conventional warfare means will not work against an unconventional enemy as was proven in 'Nam. I'm all for telling NATO to shove it along with the french (who are the main players with NATO) and go on our own. But remember this is a war to set Iraq free, not colonize it.. So I wouldn't expect lower oil prices once they are free because they will still be in with OPEC. Now if we took over Iraq along with 2 other close by oil producing countries and told OPEC and China to shove it we could in fact control our own oil prices.


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iraq wins doubly while our country goes to heck. bologna.
Kind of. But it is not fully to blame on the war effort either. Various factors like the sub-prime lending blunder, basic market fluctuation, and huge write downs in financial industries have made the economy less friendly.



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its going to be time to fight for our rights soon, or have them all stripped away.
Actually it is time to fight for non rights for illegals. Do you have any idea how big a chunck of the GNP these people cost us a year?? They come over here and have a kid. That insures the kid is a citizen so they get all these benifits and never pay a dime of income tax!! Yet because of bleeding heart liberal groups like the aclu they are afforded all the rights a legal citizen is!!! This makes it too welcoming for them to not go through the proper immigration channels and come here illegally. Take away those rights and it is less welcoming for them.
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In responce to everything writtin in this thread, i am going to have to favor this thread ALOT. Grantid alot of us do not know the actual reason to this economic break down of why we pay so much for oil, random politics or half the other stuff being typed about. I strongly agree that no matter how sensitive a subject this may be....I think we are all learnign a bit from different peoples perspectives. It may be right or it may be wrong but i think that no matter what, were all opening our minds to the subject. Some of you may agree or disagree, take it how you will. Also some of us thought that this might be a horrible thread to chat about, i think this was some good educational and if not some decent entertainment for alot of us

So why cant we post some falmming fart vids!!! J/k lol

I saw a history channel documentary on th efuel demand all over the world. China is the biggest fuel guzzling country ont he planet as of now. Go look up their gas prices im sure they are higher than ours. Im not sying that im happy with our prices but we could be worse off. Anyways my drunken babblke is over now. All i have to say is i think i may have actually learned a little bit from all this.

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"Blame NATO!! We are bound by rules and regulations thanks to NATO that seriously limit our abilities to fight this war in the manner it needs to be fought in. Conventional warfare means will not work against an unconventional enemy as was proven in 'Nam. I'm all for telling NATO to shove it along with the french (who are the main players with NATO) and go on our own. But remember this is a war to set Iraq free, not colonize it.. So I wouldn't expect lower oil prices once they are free because they will still be in with OPEC. Now if we took over Iraq along with 2 other close by oil producing countries and told OPEC and China to shove it we could in fact control our own oil prices."


sorry don't blame nato, this is a illegal war, gas prices are high because the middle east wants to starve out america and stop its bullying.
we have no business in Iraq period.

the iraq war was all for bush and his personal agenda.

i hope he gets impeached and hung for high treason and war crimes.
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