drs vs guns

[ilovemylizard]

Originally Posted by danktat

I plead the fifth

LOL, that just struck me as really funny...

[ilovemylizard]

The statistics don't suprise me...I can tell you I would feel much safer in a room with a gunslinger than a doctor wielding a scalpel and anesthetic...

Modern medicine, IMO has much more to do with experimentation and wreckless guesswork than any hard, imperical data...

I am terrified of doctors...I have a number of rather serious health issues, that I've chosen to let be, because I honestly think I have a better chance of survival/quality of life, than letting these mad scientists, er, 'doctors' preform their experiments...oops...'surgery/medical treatments'...

I've also gotten so many different diagnoses from so many different 'specialists'...which only confirms my belief, that medical proffesionals, in most cases, have absolutely no freaking idea what they are doing

	IMO In My Opinion

[ilovemylizard]

Originally Posted by jadeboa

As for owning a gun.........if everyone was packing.......less trouble would occur.......because........everyone is packing........makes sense.

Exactly...my neighbors are hunters and have more guns in their house than I do snakes...I can tell you I sleep good at night, knowing they are next door...

...I pity the poor soul who trys to break into my house, LOL...

[froglegs]

Very interesting thread!
How funny now that I think about it and read this thread, just about everyone I know has a gun but they dont have a doctor..lol!!

I'm an avid shooter and supporter of gun rights. I run an eshop where I sell guns in accordance with federal and local laws (including the really stupid ones).

I am always amazed at how many people blame guns for everything that's wrong in society without actually doing any real work into the subject matter. They listen to some activist(s), think, "Yeah, guns are bad!" and hop on the bandwagon.

Do you know how many legally purchased firearms (that's handguns or rifles) have been used to commit a crime in the US?

Do you know how many legally purchased firearms have been used to commit murder in the US? Around the world?

If you're not in single digits for either of those - you're too high.

Here's some other things you can research and find all the details on the internet. I love it when people research these because you don't get it from me and thereby dismiss it, you actually read the news and find out "Wow, I never knew that!"

A small town in central US had a local law given rights to all citizens to carry personal sidearms. A paroled felon, breaks into a house and steals a gun, then steals the car and drives up I-35 or 25 (I forget which) and happens to stop in this town off the interstate. He needs gas, so he's going to rob the gas station/store. He pulls his gun on the clerk, confident the 4 patrons in the store will run or hide like everyone does. Alas, they all pull their guns and force him to lay down at gun point until the sheriff arrives. When asked by a big media babe later (in a pallid attempt to generate support for gun bans) the guy says, "I guess I stopped in the wrong town. I should have picked one where no one has guns."

Another town, not so small, takes an idea from the NRA (whom the new mayor supports) after the state passed a mandatory gun registration law. On the next printing on the phone book, anyone registered by the state has a small "g" printed next to their number. This signifies "Gun in Home". Its all legal due to the new law and the state legislature, though #$!#$!#$!#$!#$!#$!, can do nothing about it. Two years later the now outted mayor does an official facts study before he leaves office. The number of crimes went down only by 2%, but there were no crimes committed in home marked with a "g". Every crime committed against a family took place only in a home not so marked in the phonebook. The outted mayor was quoted as saying "I guess criminals do research of their own"


Ok, all that being said. The basics around the world are even more revealing.

What was the first thing the new government in China did during the revolution of the communist party, prior to actually taking power? They seized all weapons, guns and handguns from the populace. Russia? Same thing. In fact, in any similar regime you will find a seizure of anything that can be used by the people to oppose the will on the leadership.

Its why the right to keep and bear arms is so important. Its not just your right to defend yourself from criminals or aggressors from abroad, but from the criminal action of a tyrannical government. Oh I know there are always the far lefts that immediately say, "Our government would not do that!" Really? Our government with politicians who tell you to ride a bike, use less gas, blah blah blah and the whole time they fly in private jets, drive hummers, use limos? If these things were so vital, why don't they lead by example? How can you not consider that they want their rights seperated from yours? How can you now see they want to control society from an elitists position of power.

Do guns kill people? Well "Yes", guns are made to terminate the life of anything they shoot. Its fundamentally the reason they were made. Can you buy special ammo thats non lethal? Yes. I recommend it to all my non-LE/Military customers, and I use it myself. I have 7 shots. 3 are non lethal shot, the next 3 are a a unique rubber type of bullet that will knock the assailant down. The last one is a special round that will kill no matter where it hits. There might be one or two place it won't kill, but in all likelihood(sp?) it will. Its 100% legal, sold in stores. Just most people don't know about it or think about it if they see it. I have never had to use one, though I have had to pull my gun at least twice to protect my life. Never had to shoot it those cases though, and that makes me very happy.

The number one reason guns kill people is because the person holding the gun is intent upon killing the other person at that moment. In a perfect world, we would not need guns. Of course the criminals would be locked up and not merely slapped on the wrists and let go. We would not offer reform that doesn't work for violent criminals. We wouldn't let pediphiles live next door to a family with four children - all to protect the rights of the criminal who has a record for molesting children.

If you don't like guns, that's your right. It a right that people gave their lives in various wars to earn you and protect. Wars where they used guns to kill the enemy before the enemy could kill them or their families, before the enemy could wipe them from the face of the planet. Wars where we should remember that someone else you never met gave everything they had so that you can get up in the morning in a country where you can choose what career you pursue. Where you have the freedom to search the internet, to read forums, to disagree with me.

Where you have the right to vote.

You have all those rights and more. You have the right to not like guns.

You don't have the right to tell me I can't have one.

That's where the conflict lies. People who don't like them wanting to force, and then enforce, their will upon those that do.

"I don't like that. I am going to support the guy that will get rid of that." Its so wrong in so many ways. Its not what we're suppose to be about.


Thank you for reading my essay. lol

May you have a great weekend and hopefully Gustav will not wreak havoc on ya.

[speerbeer]

Statistics are nice but have to be put into context:

When do you go to the docter? When there is already something wrong with you. Docter has to make a choice, often under pressure. Goes wrong on a fairly regular basis but as there is already something sriously wrong with you in the first place it can be expected. Also most gun owners are usually responsible people thus ensuring that people in their surroundings know where the gun is, how to handle it, what the dangers are and especially how to keep it out of hands where it doesn't belong.

I am not anti gun, actually I am pro gun. If it were legal to own guns in my country without all the hastle of permits, checks and all regulations you need to follow to even have a gun (not to mention live ammo) in your house, I would probably have my share of guns. All I am saying is that statistics are numbers that can be manipulated by someone to make a point. Same in business, you have statistics you don't like, change the way of measuring or something else till you get numbers you like.

At least you were kind enough to post where you got your numbers!!

My favorite overused, mis-used statistic - Planes are safer than cars.

No they're not.

Multiply the number of airplane accidents by the same factor of cars, accounting for an equalization of the airplanes to the number of cars, and planes are far more dangerous and you are more likely to have an accident.

Its simply, yet so many people miss it. There's not any comparision between the two until there's the same number of planes as there are cars. Once you go there, the numbers will scare the bullwinkle right out of you.

And one thing to remember - You might survive a car wreck, but your chances to survive a plane crash are very little. So whether they crash less with the skewed statistics or not, I would rather have the chance to walk away rather than the certainty of death in the event something goes wrong.

[lasairfina]

I'm pretty much a liberal left-wing College-Know-It-All (thank you South Park, best phrase ever!) hippie. But my family hunts, I grew up eating more venison than hamburger, I'm all for gun rights! My grandparents, who are both hunters, have about 20 guns in their house.

My mom lives next to a cemetery, and I watch a lot of zombie movies... guess where I feel safer?

Seriously though, there is no reason responsible people shouldn't have guns. And should they try to take said guns... I'm thinking that would be a bad idea.

Cemetary.... I have stories, dear girl. Stories! Gives me chills thinking about 'em!


Brrraaaaaaaaiiiiinnnnsssssssssssssss...

Happens to be my pet's name in EQ2, lol

[JuliusSqueezer]

Whether we can or can't own "guns" will likely never be in question in the US. There is no getting around the fact that there is a whole amendment in the US constitution guaranteeing us this particular right. It's what types of guns we can have that will forever be debated. The Constitution doesn't help us at all on this point. Back when it was written with a feather and a jar of ink, probably nobody had a clue that one day "arms" would be something besides just muskets. The Chicago and similar gangsters of the prohibition days lit up a few too many streets with Thompson sub machine guns and thus created legislature against fully automatic weapons...and gradually anti-gunners started lobbying for other types of weapons to be on the list. Clinton signed the Brady Bill...and put a temp ban on some seriously ridiculous weapons most notably the semi auto pistol mags of more than 10 round capacity. Thankfully that expired and we can have our high cap mags again...for now. Can't just blame Clinton though. Brady was on the Reagan team Assault weapons and what exactly constitutes an assault weapon will remain under fire (so to speak) forever. Is a semi automatic pistol a machine gun? To some politicians, it seems to be. To the majority of people it isn't. Unfortunately, either way we vote this time we face ridiculous new gun laws. McCain is pro gun control. Obama is pro gun control. This is one point that at this point, is off the table for me since we are screwed either way.